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Wonder how many of us have deleted their Raverly account. It took the route of calling all Trump administration supporters, or even those who wanted to find some good in his administration White supremists and banned any supporting words for dialog. Thank you for sharing the link! That Gregory both read and fully understood the post, as it was quite clear and simple in its intent. I witnessed the same and have pretty much stayed to my own and only watched youtube videos. There is something very curious going on that is discussed in the video. And May you always be able to locate a tape measure when you need it. I agree that Ravelry made a big mistake. Maybe you've seen the "library" link in Ravelry, but are you using your library? I will say at the sheep and wool festival a lot of the knitters appear to be on the TDS/anti-trump side …I mostly ignored them at the festival… never debated anyone.. kept my views to myself.. now all of a sudden the entire site has to take a stand… now?!?! And I, for one, find that a very poisonous thing to do to a community. But they continue to have F*ck trump stuff on there. On the other hand, I should have seen that something like that was coming from a woman who posts beneath her husband’s name (and, permission, really) and allows him to refer to her as “my bride”. That’s what I would have liked. I have seen a few blogs/vlogs from various designers who have stated they are in the process of removing their patterns due to the new policy. Thank you for speaking up for the smaller voices. How much will I be giving up by deleting my Ravelry account, however? I have better things to do so I deleted my account and hope Ravelry goes down the tubes. Some react with anger, others with sorrow. As long as we can keep a discussion all about the yarn, I have been able to co-exist congenially both online and in-person with fellow crafters who I’d never see sitting in the next pew at church or waiting in line to fill out a Republican ballot on primary election days. But EXACTLY what is the proof that President Trump is a white supremacist. I don’t want to hear the reasoning behind their hate. She is a knitting pattern designer, and is very concerned that Ravelry is doing nothing to crack down on pattern piracy (the unethical collecting of what are supposed to be paid patterns in various Yahoo groups and then posting those patterns as free patterns on Ravelry). #iwasbannedonRavelry.com #badgeofhonor. Dear Eyeamdust, Support of the Trump administration is unambiguously support for white supremacy.” What more is there to understand or read? Wiping out all the conservative Jedis that mostly kept their opinions to themselves (trying not to make waves). Who thinks or even cares about the pattern creator and other knitters. My heart broke a little that day, and I’m still looking for that place where we come together to knit, just because we knit. But please feel free to throw some Star Wars our way, too! Thank you for expressing the thoughts of many of us in such an eloquent fashion. All have been removed and I was also removed from tbe platform before this policy went into effect. This is so eloquently said thank you for posting and so true it breaks my heart to see the world getting more and more divided, I am 59 my sisters were 8,7,6 years older this is so not how I was rasied…my mother said you like EVERYONE till that person upsets you dont group people togerher….I grew up in the world of we each have a side, Lets Talk which is what knitting and knitting with others does, you are so far ahead of these people who wear blinders. I was a R member since 2007, so needless to say, I had a ton of content saved there. But, being devoid of political content was not what Ravelry said. They see hatred when he bullies people by calling them names, calls refugees rapists and murderers, refers to the free press as the enemy of the people, uses the name of a Native woman as an insult, responds to an accusation of assault by saying the woman isn’t attractive to him, etc, etc, etc. They’re too divisive, IMHO. For anyone looking to exit, you can export your data by hovering over your profile svstsr. I too have enough patterns until I am too old to see to knit. There’s another story for you. Another comment cited an entire Ravelry group of “Conservative Knitters” (not necessarily pro-Trump, but conservative in general) being “disappeared” from Ravelry, with all of that group’s forums and forum threads being removed. What I heard was no political ideology from eirher perspective would be allowed which is appropriate for a forum devoted to needle crafts. Goodbye ravelry you once had a site for all yet you chose to divide. A "no hate" platform has become quite a divided space and ridiculous. We vote for who can get the job done as leader of our country. So the math of the members with avatars is roughly 100,000 people in four years, averaging 68.5 people per day. That is what political sites and open forums are for. Deal, woman. That is how I felt when I first read about it. ( Log Out /  I edited my report message to that effect. . However, I will survive without it. May your intarsia be flexible and lie flat. He is not a white supremacist, he is not a homophobic, he is not a racist, He is not a misogynist .. Everyone should be and feel welcome in the knitting and fiber community as long as respect remains pivotal. A crocheting forum should be a place of peace and solemn! They don’t need my business. Sometimes we disagreed! Being told we’re white supremacists because we support the president of our nation is definitely being excluded. “Craftivism”, makers, and hobbyists have coexisted peacefully for numerous decades. https://web.archive.org/web/20190727194236/https://deborah.makarios.nz/ravelry-and-the-rule-that-must-not-be-named/. Why must they draw the line in the sand? Thank you for this. The haters can’t beat us!! I’m not defending Trump, necessarily, nor am I objecting to expressions of gay pride. I don’t mix politics with my knitting and I pray for all men and women on this earth. Ravelry seems to be using tactics championed by Antifa, a group which promotes Communism and Anarchy. One YouTuber announcing her withdrawal from Ravelry cited a non-political reason. The few GOP groups are being infiltrated by liberals who’ve never before chatted in those rooms until Sunday and now are systematically entering every corner of the site to engage conservatives into conversations that ultimately get them banned. This is exactly how I feel! Any other normal forum would have dealt with individual issues of inappropriate posts instead of alienating and blanket labeling millions of fiber arts enthusiasts as white supremacists. I lost a few friends over the past few years over politics. Peace and love to all. They don’t care about who owns what, because that is a non-issue given their political leanings. I married a liberal 34 years ago, met my liberal best friend nearly 30 years ago. I just reported the user with the f-Trump patterns. I go with that I’ll treat everyone with dignity and respect, as long as I get the same from them. knitting is sadly very political and has been for centuries! A bit hypocritical. You write extremely well. I am a straight, white, conservative knitting enthusiast but I wasn’t there to push any agenda, or question anybody else’s belief system or way of life. Politics. Where, exactly do you get this notion that the president hates anyone? We do our venting there to keep politics off the fiber sites.. All are welcome! I don’t care if you are Mormon, Catholic, Jewish or Hindu. Once one group is gone, they will find a new group to attack. And if I really want fancy yarn (although I don’t use it that often), I can support a yarn-themed Kickstarter project (like the one for yak, camel and cashmere yarn from Mongolia I’m currently backing). My the sides of your crochet be straight. What seems especially unfair is the heavy-handed one-sidedness of the ban, as no other political speech or content is similarly censored on Ravelry. They are just simply showing us the door. A statement on their website indicated that they had no interest in why I was deleting it so I did not have the satisfaction of telling them that I would pray for their poor souls. This was the last straw, though. Every single dollar helps! I tried to post to their blog twice and both times it was deleted. Only Trump supporters are told to stay in the closet…do you agree with Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. So, where is the site that we can regroup, and um, rival, raverly? There is also a FB group for venting. Why can’t everyone see we are being manipulated to hate each other….a divided USA is a weakened USA. Saying “pro” things isn’t bashing anyone. There is also a FB group called Walk Away from Ravelry. Blatant censorship. It was the only time I ever saw him. Just see what happens when someone says they’re leaving Ravelry over this. I hope they get to pocket more of their earnings instead of going through the middle man. I,too, deleted my account and am trying to put all this behind me and get back to doing what I love. Gregory–THANK YOU– you put into words much more eloquently than I ever could. To claim Trump supporters are white supremacists is libelous; to censor one side of a political discussion and not the other on a platform that bangs on endlessly about “inclusivity” suggests they need a new dictionary. When owners of the largest watering hole for knitters now say to millions of knitters that because you do not agree with our politics..that you are not welcome. 3 months ago i participated in a conversation and ended up getting banned from speaking for 3 months. Thank you Greg for your eloquent post! You should start your own Ravely type site. Make sure to explain why you are deleting your account. Dont let the name fool you, we have knitters as well! FYI about a year ago I wrote Casey and asked that the FUCK TRUMP patterns please be removed as they where inappropriate for a knitting site. Their opinion would be wrong, and punishing other people for it is also wrong. They’ve gone welcome to all who believe only what I do, which I find deplorable. Well made points. I deleted my account because of the treasonistic thoughts. It’s very true. I don’t care that you a conservative, or gay, or a male knitter. I realize I am late to the party as this happened on the 25 of June, but I felt the same way. Walk Away from Ravelry has 2,229 members. To me it’s smart, he is too controversial because of all the lies he has been caught in. But the conservatives aren’t the ones that are obsessed with talking about POTUS it’s the other side. I truly hope some talented people will build another knitting community where we all are able to freely enjoy our love of the fiber arts. Since it is privately run they can ultimately do what they want. Thank you for being you!! I too hope that we can return to a place where our love for knitting can be the joy that brings us (back) together. I totally understand and back their need to protect all from sources of hate, which were brought on by some against the LGBT community, because it would eventually filter out to the religious communities and others. OH, I couldn’t stop laughing! Here is the link if anyone would like to take a look. Hence, bad decision. Sometimes it takes me a second to figure things out. I’m a black female knitting Trump supporter and I am not a white supremacist. As it looks more and more like a Trump win in 2020, with a large percentage of the black vote, they’ll be more of this. Fully two thirds of moderation in the past year was to shovel out after posted in Trump supporters went off. My only public comment was that I had mixed feelings about the decision, and pitchforks were already being polished. I am so saddened by the hatred that has popped up in discussion groups on both sides. I’m wondering why politics found their way into knitting anyway. Thanks for the info on the other sites. Yay! I left Ravelry the day they posted the ban. For those of us with ADD it’s a great way to make sure you finish one thing before you start another. The admins vow to make it fair. Kudos to you for NOT making your decision or this blog entry a political statement, but rather a statement about the close-mindedness of a site meant to bring people together. I saw that, and I did my own research which supported the video. They just said no one could talk about Trump. I agree with everything you said. I’m a conservative straight dude that plays board games at a gay bar. I also sew and quilt. like people judge me no matter what, and so I say little because in turn I fear the In fact, we are even going into a meat goat business because of their encouragement. I hope it will be worth it. Naome— (Seriously, I can’t stop laughing!). I just heard about this today from Crochet O’Clock and I am saddened by this accusation of being a white supremacist. And I just don’t want to be involved in that. You have done it so beautifully and eloquently. I avoided the things I personally found unacceptable. I’ve been a member of Ravelry since 2007, and I hate to leave all my project notes behind as they were fairly complete. You understand that pain, yet you stand against other who experience that same pain in different ways. I really don’t give a rats backside what a person’s race is or their sexual orientation. Ravelry made a political stance based off untrue statements, it's disturbing that yet another platform takes a side and causes more division.' And I have always loved being part of a beautiful fiber community first as a knitting instructor, then a yarn shop owner, then an owner of a wholesale hand dyed yarn company…and now a.shepherd designing yarn from the hoof on up. How can you stand against us? In this politically divisive climate having a haven where those differences don’t have to be confronted is a positive. WK Aiken- There is a new site coming to give Ravelry some competition: They will offer the same amenities as Ravelry but with upgraded new technology. Period. I have so much in my pattern library, and I feel so stuck. And that is why I deleted my Ravelry account. I’m sure most conservatives were underground/undercover about their views (doing their best, like me, to not make waves or rub anyone’s nose in Hillary’s loss), but people still have to be alienated even further. No place for politics or racist, gender biased bullies. It will have a link to delete your account. Posted … More and more need to step up and say this is not ok. I’m hoping some wise person will create something along the same lines of Ravelry that will include everyone. Ravelry’s Terms of Use prohibit the uploading of “vulgar” and “obscene” patterns (item 5a in Terms of Use, http: // www. As citizens of the USA we should judge his presidency and support him while in office, he is your president after all. I couldn’t convince him that I’d never seen anything like that. However, I will be leaving a comment about their decision on their site. And, it’s just alleged, even if he’s the one making the allegations at times. One of my very best friends is a liberal gay man with whom I sew costumes for a local theater. Three months. They sounded very mean spirited and intolerant, ironically what they accused Trump and his supporters of being. I . It will affect sales of pattern designers who may or may not even agree with what’s been said. So, etsy will receive more of my attention and funds. I can’t be on another site that promotes segregation and negativity, we get enough of that everywhere else. I support Ravelry in their decision. I too have closed my Ravelry account! I support you wholeheartedly! It’s about needle arts, period. If it were my thing, I’d sign right up. I agree. I’m so deeply saddened by this. May your wool be moth free and soft. I also have loved being able to create project pages for each crochet item I complete, and maintain a collection of all the crochet patterns I have found on Ravelry that I have either used or would like to use. It’s their site, it’s their choice. I feel as their new policy has succeeded in doing the exact opposite of what they claim they are wanting. Thank you so eloquently writing how I feel. Unless you have met them in person they are only virtual. Their message rang loud and clear. And I keep wondering about making change from the ‘inside’ though it sounds very hard. Clearly you thought long and hard about this and articulated your position extremely well. Because that is what happened. Nooo. website for knitters (and other fiber art related people) .. that has a no-violence I can love you and not like your decisions! And there’s a critical mass for their inventory. This would have been my choice. This is THEIR quote from THEIR site from THEIR admins. Update 8/3/2020: Designer KatieBea posted on Instagram that she received an email from Cassidy, one of the founders of Ravelry, saying “we have found zero evidence that there is anything about the new design that causes migraines or seizures.” In her post she writes “ For well over a month, we have begged you to do something. The whole pussy hat thing was about as revolting as it can get (apart from the fact that they all looked ridiculous wearing them) but banning conservatives was too much. I loved Ravelry in the beginning and inspite of the fact that there were things happening that I did not agree with, I ignored it and still supported the platform. I ask because I looked around that group and didn’t see anything objectionable, only the usual, we support Trump comments and liberals seem to be acting crazy these days. You can’t decry insertion of politics on a forum AND do the same. I am deeply disappointed that Ravelry has gone the way of the insane and alienated so many. I considered them beneath my acknowledgement when they pulled that bunny out of their brainless hat. The virtue signalling of Ravelry should not be confused with actual support for the LGBTQ community. I’ll stop here and take my leave, my stash and needles in towe. I so agree. Very sad and I was hurt by it. I actually felt pretty terrible for her. Another level of civility has been breeches. In other words, we will promote our political agenda, which has nothing to do with knitting, but no one else can so much as make a peep to in support of something we oppose, which also has nothing to do with knitting. I worked my butt off and paid a small fortune for my “privilege”. Slightly longer answer: Last week, Ravelry announced a new official policy banning all content in support of the current U.S. President (Donald Trump) and his administration, on the grounds that support for Trump = support for white supremacy. None. More Ravelry members are voicing their objections to Ravelry banning President Trump supporters by posting videos on YouTube. Ravelry.com is a social website for anyone who likes yarn. In some sense, they’ve removed anyone’s ability to counter the narrative of white supremacy. That’s how we fight back. Thank you again. I had a pattern shop there and they made money anytime I sold a pattern. I can’t wait to see a better platform eliminating division. Strange, huh? I could see it coming when they started putting so much emphasis on race and gender. Thank you. I’ve seen so much division from the “inclusives” that I’m not sure I shouldn’t just leave those groups. I’d gladly attend. However, it’s time to go. I can’t go to my local LYS anymore for the same reason. There are a whole lot of people around the world being kicked around that have no voice. He has done more for people of color and women than any other previous President. I just think it is a huge leap to judge and label a group of people just because you don’t agree with a few of their actions. You said it better than o could. A puppy would probably lick a serial killer if the killer fed and pet him on a regular basis. I agree with you, the site was a way for us as yarn artists to bond, share, heal, laugh and love. Because I AM good – in my heart, in my mind, and in my soul. programmers.. maybe I can find some who will try to help me build a new But I guess as a conservative, Christian, Canadian woman, they didn’t want me anyway. I remember every minute of it. Hear! People will lie for money. Ravelry is a community site, an organizational tool, and a yarn & pattern database for knitters and crocheters. First of all, many of us here have clearly stated that we never inserted ourselves in the political fray and would have been just as happy had there not been ANY political content at all. It’s all about breaking down society and any sense of community one might have. I’ve been wondering about it ever since I deleted my Ravelry account a few days ago…. October 15, 2020 - 2020. I will try to download my patterns. As far Trump’s personal character or values, only God can judge someone’s heart and someone’s personal actions. They labeled about half of their customers in a hateful way. These skeins, these needles, these movements of beauty that shift from knit to purl and back again to build something beautiful may be the only thing in this divisive time that some of us have in common. Check out Fiberocity and Our Unraveled.. You might find what you are looking for on one of those already underway. Why do I have the audacity to think that? How can you do that? New feature: Debut Patterns! I’ve been reading and listening to many reflections on this sad state of affairs with ravelry’s divisive new policy…your words are my favorite and capture my sentiment exactly. Instead they said all who supported his “administration” which is basically the entire White House and 63 million Americans were white supremists. So, for example, if I had a MAGA hat pattern (I didn’t just an example) that pattern according to the Ravelry owners is an unacceptable pattern and would be returned to draft status. You don’t want to sit at the table with us. I love that! Deleted my account and buying elsewhere. I find it impossible! . Have you seen the nearly 1000 posts on my facebook about it? I am a hard core liberal. We have to make our choices for ourselves, I am here and love you all ❤ regardless of which side, whose 'right' or barriers to communication. There was a mass exodus from the site and other businesses have stepped up to take their place. The people who think that they are being “inclusive” are the most bigoted of all. Conservative Christian 72 yr old straight white woman here. The exact words I habe been saying since I heard what they decided to do. Or if you enjoy knitting or crocheting, feel free to join Ravelry yourself! Oh yes, you have the right to express your opinion but I have the right to disagree with it whether you like it or not, now put your pussy hat on, grab some crayons and playdoe, crawl to a corner and curl up in a fetal position and suck your thumb. . What I do judge people on is their content of character. I too will be deleting my account today. Note: this misogynistic stuff is an example of why the other membership that is dwindling is that of the Catholic Church, and not just in the USA. Same thing everyone gets hired at most job for. You are less than. I am thankful I saw your blog, and truly appreciate your thoughts. If anyone is interested, a new site has started called “Our Unraveled” based on the fact the moderator feels the country is becoming “unraveled”. That’s fine and dandy if they are going to ban trump hate as well… but they did not. So this isn’t about Ravelry controlling what is posted on Ravelry, it’s about Ravlery quashing free speech wherever it may occur. We cannot provide a space that is inclusive of all and also allow support for open white supremacy. Then why not ban all politics from their site and just keep it a knitting community? I’ve been a member since 2010. I’m a liberal latinx and I unsubscribed for those very reasons—I won’t lend my support to any group that bans those with which they disagree, use hateful and divisive language—and the sad, transparent attempt to make their actions appear virtuous, only confirms the fascist thinking behind this silly position. Apparently, I’ve had my head stuck in the sand. I ain’t a Patons Decor can be a good alternative. Which is exactly how they acted just by making it an issue. And a happy Fourth of July to you, too! And I’m so glad this topic has been raised!! Stick with people that all think the same and repeat all the same narrative and don’t listen or discuss ideas with people who hold different views. Walkaway / Blexit / WalkAwAsian (whatever you have to do) ..before it’s too late!! How can we reorganize and get a real meetup/group for people that are okay with people no matter their beliefs/politics. For me, the thought of sharing space with anyone who supports this vulgar, hateful man is repulsive and offensive. I work for a non profit healthcare center that cares for impoverished immigrants. My conservative gay daughter will love to know there are others who share her world view as well!!! More importantly what boundary issues preclude individuals from keeping their political opinions to share on the multitude of sites dedicated to that sharing. I’ve been a member for years. Well written and sums up pretty much how I feel. Shutting down speech does not change hearts and minds. They specifically pointed to President Trump, and then referenced the ridiculous Straw Man Argument of his supposed white supremacism, which is absurd. Sadly I downloaded a couple in another language so I will have to translate them. Tired of the double-standard.. it seems okay for Ravelry, (and the people that agree with them), to express their view but anyone with differing opinion must be suppressed/silenced. Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts. Hi Gregory. It seems very odd to me that so many peeps would join in the time frame right before and during the controversy. Necesse est omnes nos in…, @Karl - MeWe is where FB was 10 years ago. We are over 50, different political and religious views, and not once has anyone ever said a cross word to another. And telling us we need to check our privilege because we dislike R’s decision. The restauranter (prompted by her staff) in Lexington, Va. who insisted that a party of about eight leave the establishment because Sarah Huckabee Sanders was with them is still in business and the proprietor was given space in the WaPoo to defend this sort of petty harassment. Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. I had my ravelry account since 2008 and I just proudly closed it. Well said Greg…. This post was suggested to me and it was like an algorithm knew what I wanted to read. What a fabulous post. Somebody please explain to me! The only hatred I see or hear is coming from the MSM, members of Congress, groups like Antifa, and the left in general. Any conservatives can feel welcome to particate as long as they remain muzzled. Also, they are flat out wrong that we are supporting white supremacy. Slandering those you disagree with is never acceptable. My son pointed out it’s a private website and they can make the rules and they were probably getting trump trolls. Thank you. As a frequent visitor I found it posted on their site. Some of the best knitters I’ve ever known have been men (as was the best bobbin lace maker I’ve ever known). At least Greg’s words give me momentary solace and have reassured me there are at least a few reasonable people left in the knitting world. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. They’ve done just exactly what the author of this piece has said… they’ve made it *impossible* for anyone to bridge gaps or come together over a shared interest and development of friendships. Accusations do not equal proof, and neither do they equal a criminal conviction. They didn’t say NO POLITICS they said trump supporters and supporters of his administration had better get in the closet and stay there or they will be banished. Change ). It’s a real shame they let their vitriol cause such a division. You said this beautifully, and I am not nearly as eloquent, but I just deleted my Ravelry account as well. Some of us choose not to support a site that that will allow anti-Trump support but not pro-Trump support. Thank you, Diana! However, a F*CK TRUMP hat pattern (you insert the U) is allowed to remain. I felt that in calling Trump what they did, they insulted yarn artists who support him…as you said, how does this bring us together to heal, share, laugh and bond? Please tell me why a person who voted for Trump is automatically a white supremist. Different strokes, different folks. Since you obviously don’t agree at all with the original post, you’ll probably be much happier chatting with like-minded individuals on a different blog. It was proof positive that it is okay to call a good chunk of your members “deplorables.” I tried to enjoy that patterns but not the interaction but at some point you have to admit it’s not worth it. The owner of the shop took my sock out of my hands saying “oh you made a mistake” and frogged my sock.When she was done, she smiled sweetly and said “I think you know the mistake that you made now, don’t you.” I felt like I was in a fiber Twilight Zone. That’s how Communism has taken hold of countries historically. Not all of us got to knitting from the same place, but we’re all here now, and we should be more anxious than ever to hear from someone so different from us through the language we share of our needles clicking and clacking together to create something of comfort. I would love to know…. Right there with you. That’s exactly my thoughts/position! I’ve often thought of making a special photobook of it, I adore the loving collection hand-knits! With Warmest Regards, I cannot agree more. Knit on head held high Greg! 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